How The Suffering Servant Could Be Jesus the Nazarene – And What The Consequences Would Be…

by Amos Wittenberg
August 20, 2015

In this note I want to explore how the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 could actually be Jesus the Nazarene – and what this would mean.

We will see that we need to separate reason from emotion, very carefully. So, reader, if you have already made up your mind that you are not going to be interested in reason but will rely on your emotional attachment to the worship of Jesus the Nazarene, my advice to you is to just stop reading. If on the other hand you believe that texts need to make sense in the interpretation you use to understand those texts, please do read on. I am pretty sure that you will see a few things that you never even thought about – and that you will discover in the process that those very same things underlie the view of Jews that is ubiquitous among Christians, the more evangelical, “Israel-loving”, “messianic” or “Hebrew Roots”, the stronger.

We will begin with quoting the text in Hebrew and then give a translation that may not be the most elegant but will stick to the Hebrew original as much as I can muster.

הִנֵּה יַשְׂכִּיל עַבְדִּי יָרוּם וְנִשָּׂא וְגָבַהּ מְאֹד׃ כַּאֲשֶׁר שָׁמְמוּ עָלֶיךָ רַבִּים כֵּן־מִשְׁחַת מֵאִישׁ מַרְאֵהוּ וְתֹאֲרוֹ מִבְּנֵי אָדָם׃ כֵּן יַזֶּה גּוֹיִם רַבִּים עָלָיו יִקְפְּצוּ מְלָכִים פִּיהֶם כִּי אֲשֶׁר לֹא־סֻפַּר לָהֶם רָאוּ וַאֲשֶׁר לֹא־שָׁמְעוּ הִתְבּוֹנָנוּ׃ מִי הֶאֱמִין לִשְׁמֻעָתֵנוּ וּזְרוֹעַ ה’ עַל־מִי נִגְלָתָה׃ וַיַּעַל כַּיּוֹנֵק לְפָנָיו וְכַשֹּׁרֶשׁ מֵאֶרֶץ צִיָּה לֹא־תֹאַר לוֹ וְלֹא הָדָר וְנִרְאֵהוּ וְלֹא־מַרְאֶה וְנֶחְמְדֵהוּ׃ נִבְזֶה וַחֲדַל אִישִׁים אִישׁ מַכְאֹבוֹת וִידוּעַ חֹלִי וּכְמַסְתֵּר פָּנִים מִמֶּנּוּ נִבְזֶה וְלֹא חֲשַׁבְנֻהוּ׃ אָכֵן חֳלָיֵנוּ הוּא נָשָׂא וּמַכְאֹבֵינוּ סְבָלָם וַאֲנַחְנוּ חֲשַׁבְנֻהוּ נָגוּעַ מֻכֵּה אֱלֹקִים וּמְעֻנֶּה׃ וְהוּא מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲו‍ֹנֹתֵינוּ מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא־לָנוּ׃ כֻּלָּנוּ כַּצֹּאן תָּעִינוּ אִישׁ לְדַרְכּוֹ פָּנִינוּ וַה’ הִפְגִּיעַ בּוֹ אֵת עֲו‍ֹן כֻּלָּנוּ׃ נִגַּשׂ וְהוּא נַעֲנֶה וְלֹא יִפְתַּח־פִּיו כַּשֶּׂה לַטֶּבַח יוּבָל וּכְרָחֵל לִפְנֵי גֹזְזֶיהָ נֶאֱלָמָה וְלֹא יִפְתַּח פִּיו׃ מֵעֹצֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט לֻקָּח וְאֶת־דּוֹרוֹ מִי יְשׂוֹחֵחַ כִּי נִגְזַר מֵאֶרֶץ חַיִּים מִפֶּשַׁע עַמִּי נֶגַע לָמוֹ׃ וַיִּתֵּן אֶת־רְשָׁעִים קִבְרוֹ וְאֶת־עָשִׁיר בְּמֹתָיו עַל לֹא־חָמָס עָשָׂה וְלֹא מִרְמָה בְּפִיו׃ וַה’ חָפֵץ דַּכְּאוֹ הֶחֱלִי אִם־תָּשִׂים אָשָׁם נַפְשׁוֹ יִרְאֶה זֶרַע יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים וְחֵפֶץ ה’ בְּיָדוֹ יִצְלָח׃ מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע בְּדַעְתּוֹ יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי לָרַבִּים וַעֲו‍ֹנֹתָם הוּא יִסְבֹּל׃ לָכֵן אֲחַלֶּק־לוֹ בָרַבִּים וְאֶת־עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק שָׁלָל תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ וְאֶת־פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה וְהוּא חֵטְא־רַבִּים נָשָׂא וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים יַפְגִּיעַ׃

See, My servant shall prosper; he shall be exalted and lifted up, and he shall be very high. As many wondered about you, “How marred his appearance is from that of a man, and his features from that of people!” So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and what they had not heard they understood.
Who would have believed what we heard, and to whom was the arm of Hashem revealed? And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him? Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains – he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by G­d and oppressed. But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed. We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and Hashem accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them. And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy with his kinds of death, because he committed no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.
And Hashem wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and G-d’s purpose shall prosper in his hand.
From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many (or mighty ones), and interceded for the transgressors.

Now, I can totally understand why Jesus worshippers recognise the Nazarene in these words. They have a mental image of him, hanging on a cross, sad face, pain pouring out of every orifice of his body, blood streaming down his chest, the image of total degradation of a human being. And not just any human being: this is the man about whom their scripture says: “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11)

So, when you, Jesus worshipper, read in Isaiah “Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account.” (Isaiah 53:3), you cannot help yourself. You immediately think “Yes! That is true! He was rejected by his own! They held him of no account! And they still do…”

Oh, I know that you will add immediately that the whole of humanity has “rejected” the Nazarene because “he bore the sins of the world” but all the water in the sea cannot wash away the simple truth that when you think about the crucified messiah of Christianity, you associate that image with his rejection by his own people. Or by the corrupt leaders of his own people, if you belong to a slightly more sophisticated branch of Jesus worshippers. But then in your own mind you identify those corrupt leaders with “the rabbis” and go on to accuse “the rabbis” of rejecting your saviour even today and hiding “the truth” from the misguided Jews.

And then you get into discussions with Jews or, more likely, ex-Christians about Isaiah 53 and you cite “Jewish sources” that “clearly show” that the “real original Jewish understanding” of Isaiah 53 was totally messianic and that the real Jews in the time of the Nazarene did expect a suffering saviour who would atone for all the sins of mankind by pouring out his blood unto death.

Have you ever thought about that? Not emotionally, but logically?

Let us assume that these claims are correct, that in the first century of the common era the Jews expected someone to come and die for not only their sins but for the sins of all of mankind.

How do you explain that the closest disciples of the Nazarene, according to your scriptures, were completely clueless about this? Had never heard such a thing?

And how rejected and despised was your Nazarene saviour precisely? He died on a Roman cross which must have earned him the sympathy of many of his fellow Jews. He had a relatively easy death, hanging on that cross for barely six hours where death by crucifixion normally takes days of almost unimaginable suffering. And, according to you, he knew very well that he was a divine being and would rise from the dead in a matter of maximally 72 hours. Is that called “despised and rejected”?

Was he abandoned “by his own” in the hour of his death? Not according to Luke 23:48 “And all the multitudes who assembled to see the sight, when they saw what had taken place, returned home beating their breasts.”

Oh, I know. Your thoughts go immediately “Those were the disciples and the followers; the Jews rejoiced in his death because they plotted against him.” But are you so sure? That is not what “Luke” is saying. At all.

“Matthew” and “Mark” have different stories with mocking priests but there is none of that in “Luke”.

And “a man of pains and accustomed to illness” (Isaiah 53:3)? Which illnesses did the Nazarene suffer? What pain did he experience in his life, apart from those six hours on that Roman cross?

Reading your Christian scriptures I see a man who did not go hungry, could conjure up food and wine at will, and seemed in rude health. He was immensely popular and was followed by huge crowds wherever he went. He had a hiccup in his home town but otherwise he seemed to have been the bee’s knees, the cat’s whiskers and the zebra’s pyjamas all rolled in one.

So where does your mental image of the suffering saviour come from? It does not come from the Christian scriptures. They do not paint such a man. Who paints this image? Your Christian tradition does, that’s who. Your church fathers, reformers and passion play writers and directors do. Mel Gibson does. And you do, in your mind.

Because all you can think of are those haunting words “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11) and that is the poison you have swallowed.

Think about this, logically and not emotionally. Turn this statement around! Let’s say that “the Jews” had “received him”. According to your beliefs the Nazarene had to die on the cross for the sins of the world. Now, in our hypothetical scenario “the Jews” enthusiastically embraced their “saviour”, in the full understanding that he was to suffer and die in order to atone for the sins of the world. After all, their “scribes and Pharisees and high priests” in this scenario are all on Jesus’ side.

What next? Are they going to go to Pilate and say “Pilate, do us a favour! We have here our Messiah who is god in the flesh, sent by his heavenly father to die for our and your sins. Can you please crucify him for us?” Or were they to bring the sacrifice themselves? How exactly, in your interpretation of Isaiah 53, could “the Jews” ever “receive him”?

And if “the Jews” were somehow predestined to reject their own king, what kind of god do you believe in who plays such dirty tricks on the people he covenanted to be his witnesses in this world?

Please note that I do not offer an alternative interpretation of Isaiah 53. If you are curious how Jews read this chapter, there are plenty of resources to inform you. And, yes, although the plain meaning is that it speaks about the faithful remnant of Israel which is called the servant of Hashem all through the book of Isaiah, it has been applied by some homiletically to the King Messiah or to Messiah ben Yosef. This is neither here nor there.

It just cannot consistently be applied to the Nazarene without demonising “the Jews” in the same breath.

Think about this.

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If Jesus Was Not The Messiah Then Who Will Be? – Short Answer: Who Cares?

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

by Amos Wittenberg
24 June 2015

When Christians or Messianics discover that all the purported “messianic prophecies” in the Christian writings are without exception based on distortions, misreadings, mistranslations and passages taken out of context, they are often left with a burning question: if Jesus/Yeshua was not the promised Messiah, who will be?

Obviously this is not just a matter of curiosity. Leaving the Jesus religion leaves behind a Jesus-shaped hole.

This is the result of a terrible misunderstanding, brought about by centuries of Christian theology – or better Jesulatry.

You see, in Christian thinking the Messiah is a Saviour, a Redeemer, the Light of the World, the Bread of Life, the Source of Living Water, the Alpha and Omega.

So, even when a God-fearing Christian or messianic comes to the (inevitable) conclusion that:
a) Jesus did not die for anyone’s sins,
b) no one dies for the sins of…

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A New/ Old/ Oft Repeated Milestone

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

Will this shut up the messianic / christian missionaries………….sadly not but its a wonderful testimony>

The dynamic duo have reached the epic journey through 365 Messianic Prophecies! The original list of the 365 Messianic Prophecies as per Carmen Welker with a tongue in cheek comment by Amos Wittenburg:

A great series! We owe a debt of gratitude to @Carmen Welker of therefinersfire.org for compiling this compelling and compulsive concoction, together with her husband, Bill. Where would we be without her list that shows so clearly the rock solid foundations of her authentic Netzari neo-religion? One of the most knowledgeable modern rabbis, the orthodox scholar Rabbi Michael Skobac, could not find one single fault in this long list of crystal-clear incontrovertible prophecies, unambiguously fulfilled to the tiniest detail by Jesus of Nazareth. Every Christian and Messianic Believer MUST watch EVERY EPISODE of this series and hear with their own ears how time and again…

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Hell…it is not what the KJV tells you it is

Hell…it is not what the KJV tells you it is

by David John Husband

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Is teaching children about hell akin to child abuse?

I was reading Psalm 78 this morning and this verse stood out and started a train of thought that ended up in this note:

“Nevertheless, He, the Merciful One, is forgiving of iniquity and does not destroy: frequently He withdraws His anger, not rousing His entire wrath.”

As I read  this verse came to mind ‘but Thou wilt not leave his (it’s ‘my’ too many years of listening to Handel’s Messiah) soul in hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.”

As I read that, I was prompted to begin searching out what the KJV had to say and what the TaNaK had to say.   So, out came the Strong’s Concordance and the KJV (I don’t use it anymore)  and out came the TaNak and I began to check out the references to ‘hell’ and after only checking about half a dozen and finding that none of them were anything like how they are recorded in the TaNaK, I knew it was time to do some further study and also to write a note…so here we are.

As I was raised on a diet of ‘hell fire and damnation’,  writing this will hopefully prove to be a purgative.  I was raised in the same fear of hel that my late mother was.   When she had ‘sinned’,  she was taken to the open fire in the lounge and told ‘see that…that’s ice cream in hell’.  She grew up with an overt fear of fire, and often told me that she would have nightmares about it, waking up in the middle of the night screaming after some vivid nightmare; after which she would wake her father and get him to check the house to make sure it was safe.

This horrid ‘nt’ doctrine of hell  amongst many other ‘sacred cows’ of xtianity and messyanics needs to be slain, and I do trust that this will in some way be the means of helping some people realise that these cows can be slain for they are the product of deceivers. I came back to this paragraph to add this..>> Even typing these references out I can feel the old fear, and while I now believe so differently, these ‘feelings’ serve to measure how deep  the depths really are to which the fear has been deposited and laid down over decades of false teaching.
I will quote the KJV text first.  I wrestled with this for a while and knew it was the way to go, so we you can see the error first and then the truth. In some instances the preceding verse is quoted to give the correct context of the word ‘hell’ and accordingly the TaNaK is extended to give the truest picture possible. I will highlight the word ‘hell’ in the KJV.

There are twenty eight references in the KJV  Old Testament to ‘hell’ and it is Strong’s H7585 in every usage.  It means:

שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she’ôl   she’ôl
sheh-ole’, sheh-ole’
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates: – grave, hell, pit.

As you will see, ‘hell’ is not the first choice of the translator, whereas hell, the second choice is!  Why?  To deceive, that is why.  Grave is word that is used in the TaNaK.  So, with ‘grave’ being the first choice word, why did they not use it?  To instill fear into the hearts of the readers, that is why;  fears that if people do not not accept the false messiah of christianity and messianics, then they are going to roast in hell!!  Roast in hell because they refuse to accept a demi-god?    There are of course references in the nt to ‘hell’, however, because it is not Scripture there is no point in using them.

So, let us commence.

1: KJV Deuteronomy  32:22 “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.”

TaNaK   “For fire will have been kindled in My nostrils and blazed to the lowest depths.  It shall consume the earth and it’s produce, and set ablaze what is founded on the mountains.

NO mention of hell.

2: 2 Samuel  22:5-7   “When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid;  22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;  22:7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.”

TaNaK  “When the pains of death encircled me and torrents of godless men would frighten me, the pains of the grave surrounded me, the snares of death confronted me – in my distress I would call upon HASHEM, and to my God I would call.”

NO mention of hell.

3:  Job 11:7 – 8   “Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?   11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?”

TaNaK  “Can you achieve an understanding of God?  Can you fathom the extent of the Almighty?  It is like the heights of heaven; what can you do [to understand]? It is deeper than the Pit; what can you know?”

NO mention of hell.

4: Job 26:6 “Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.”

TaNaK “The grave is naked, and there is no covering for doom;….”

NO mention of hell.

5: Psalm  9:17  “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”

TaNaK Psalm 9:18  “The wicked will return to the depths of the grave, all the nations that forget God.”

NO mention of hell

6: Psalm 16:10 “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

TaNaK “Because You will not abandon my soul to the grave, You will not allow Your devout one to witness destruction.”

NO mention of hell.

7: Psalm 18:5  “The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.”

TaNaK   “The pains of death encircled me, and torrents of godless men would frighten me.”

NO mention of hell.

8: Psalm 55:15  “Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.”

TaNaK Psalm 55:16 “May He incite death against them, may they descend to the grave alive; for evil is in their dwelling with them.”

NO mention of hell.

9 :Psalm 86:13 “For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.”

TaNaK  “For Your kindness towards me is great, and You have rescued my soul from the nethermost depth..”

10: Psalm 116:3 “The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.”

TaNaK  “The pains of death encircled me; the confines of the grave have found me; distress and grief I would find.”

NO mention of hell.

11:  Psalm 139:8  “If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.”

TaNaK  “If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in the lowest depths, behold, You are there…..”

NO mention of hell.

12: Proverbs  5:5  “Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

TaNaK  “Her feet lead to death; her footsteps support her to the grave”

No mention of hell.

 13:  Proverbs  7:27  “Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.”   

TaNaK   “Her house is the way to the grave, descending to the chambers of death.” 

NO mention of hell.

14:  Proverbs  9:18 “But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.”

TaNaK  “But he does not know that dead men are there, those that she invites are in the deepest grave.”

NO mention of hell.

15:  Proverbs  15:11  Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?”

TaNaK  “The grave and perdition are exposed to HASHEM, surely the hearts of men”

16:  Proverbs  15:24  The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hellbeneath.”

TaNaK   “A path of life [waits] above for the intelligent one, so that his soul will turn away from the grave below.”

NO mention of hell.

17:   Proverbs 23:14   Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul fromhell

TaNaK  “You should strike him with the rod and you will rescue his soul from the grave.”

NO mention of hell.

18: Proverbs  27:20   “Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.”

TaNaK  “[As] the grave and Gehinnom are not sated [so]the eyes of man are not sated.”

NO mention of hell.

19: Isaiah  5:14  “Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.”

TaNaK  “Therefore, the nether-world has enlarged it’s appetite and opened its mouth wide without limit; and [into it] will descend her glory and the multitude and her horde, and whosoever revels within her.”

NO mention of hell.

20:  Isaiah  14:9    “Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.”

TaNaK   “The nether-world from below trembles for you to greet your arrival; it has awakened the giants for you, all the leaders of the world, it has raised all the kings of the land out of their thrones.”

NO mention of hell. 

21:  Isaiah  14:15   “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”

TaNaK   “But to the nether-world have you been lowered, to the bottom of the pit.”

NO mention of hell.

22:  Isaiah  28:15   “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and withhell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:”

TaNaK  “For you say, “We have sealed a covenant with death, and made a compact with the Grave; when the surging staff [of punishment] passes through it will not come to us, for we have made Deceit our shelter and taken refuge in Falsehood.”

NO mention of hell.

23: Isaiah  57:9   “And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. ”

TaNaK   “You sent a tribute of oil to the king and prepared numerous spice mixtures [for him]; you dispatched your agents afar, and you demeaned yourself as low as the grave.”

NO mention of hell.

24:  Ezekiel 31:16    “I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.”

TaNaK   “I made the nations tremble at the sound of his fall, when I brought him down to the grave with those who descend to the pit; then all the trees of Eden were comforted in the nethermost earth, the choicest and best of the Lebanon, all those that drink water.”

NO mention of hell.

25:   Ezekiel  32:27   “And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.”

TaNaK  “They will not lie with the mighty, for they are inferior to those uncircumcised who have descended to the grave with their weapons of war, and they placed their swords under their heads; for their iniquities remain upon them, for the terror of [these] was in the Land of Life.”

NO mention of hell.

26: Amos 9:1-2  ” I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.  9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:”

TaNaK  “I saw the Lord standing upon the Altar, and He said: Strike the lintel and the side posts will quake ; and shatter the head of them all, and the rest of them I will slay by the sword; no fugitive among them will flee and no refugee among them will escape.  If they did down into the grave, from there My hand will take the; and if they ascend to the heavens, from there I will bring them down.”

NO mention of hell.

27:  Jonah  2:1-2  ” Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish’s belly,  “And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.”

TaNaK  Jonah 2:2-3  “Jonah prayed to HASHEM, his God, from the fish’s innards, and said: I called in my distress, to HASHEM, and He answered m: from the belly of the grave I cried out – You heard my voice.

NO mention of hell.

28:  Habbakuk  2:5   “Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:”

TaNaK   “The [man of] wine also acts treacherously; he is an arrogant man and does not stay at home.  He has widened his soul like the grave and, like death, he is not satisfied  He gathered unto himself all nations and assembled unto himself all the peoples.”

NO mention of hell.

So, why all this scaremongering by the nt authors??? Fear fear fear to keep us in bondage and to get us to accept the false messiah of either the christians or the messianics.

So without the kjv et al and of course the funny supplement (the nt) we would not have the fear of death that it has sown into the hearts of billions and caused just as many to believe in a fake messiah be that jesus or yeshua and dependent on whether you believe in a demi-god or not depends where you go at death!!   It matters not which one, for both are idolatrous and the idea of a god-man is rooted in mythology and has nothing at all to do with belief in the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…NOTHING at all.

It is because of the centuries of nt conditioning that xtians and messyanics have sat through that we have this immense foundation of fear rooted deception that needs  to be broken up, and the only way that it can be broken up is to digest and digest the TaNaK, that is the antidote and good solid teaching by the likes of Rabbi Michael Skobac, Rabbi Tovia Singer  Rabbi Stuart Federow….If I have left your favorite RAbbi off, then it was not by design, so please forgive me.

The nt ‘hell’ is known as Gehinnom in the TaNaK and is a place of cleansing, nothing at all like what centuries of Sunday preaching has taught it to be.

If any christian or messianic reads this then I pray that HaShem will open your heart and your eyes to see that your fathers, like mine and many before me have been lied to.  Please read Jeremiah 16:19 from the TaNaK.

“HASHEM, my Strength, my Stronghold and my Refuge on the day of distress!  To You nations will come from the ends  of the earth and say:  “It was all falsehood that our ancestors inherited, futility that has no purpose.  Can a man make gods for himself? – they are not gods.”!

So,  what to do?  Buy a TaNaK and a TaNaK is not a kjv/et minus the nt, it is the Hebrew Scriptures, and see what our Scriptures say.  As you read. pray and pray and pray again, and you will be surprised at the truth that comes to light.   I know I was.

To the glory of HASHEM is this set forth, and with the prayer that many will be caused to question their belief in what they have been told hell is, because the truth is very different from the lies that we have been told.

All TaNaK Scriptures are from the Artscroll Stone edition of the TaNaK.

I want to thank HASHEM!  Blessed be His Set-Apart Name for inspiring me to write this.

I also want to thank a very good friend of mine in Arizona for prompting me to add some personal details to this article..Thank you.

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Most Nicene Christians are quick to point out that Hell is not something “God does to us,” it is something we do to ourselves (although how one might do that even before conception in the case of the Calvinists is difficult to grasp given their firm rejection of reincarnation!).

Friends, there is nothing just nor loving about this doctrine nor about a god who would create billions of beings solely to torture them throughout eternity. This is NOT the God of the Bible!

Know The Facts

  • There is no biblical basis for this teaching.
  • HaShem can do anything and He could easily make another option for those who do not accept His alleged way of salvation. Therefore if Hell existed it would be God sending people there (God forbid). Such a thing violates everything we know about Him.
  • There is no evidence that anyone from the Abrahamic traditions living in the first century C.E. conceived of such a post-life horror.
  • Many Pagans did believe in such horrors then and now and the Jews rightly viewed them as savages because of it.
  • Not a single person in the Gospel accounts ever challenged Jesus as to the origins of this non-Jewish teaching he allegedly taught. Surely some rabbi would have questioned it had Jesus actually taught it.
  • The doctrine directly challenges the biblical assurances that God is Loving and Just (examples: Deuteronomy 32:4; Romans 2:24).
  • Most “Bible believing Christians” believe many unbiblical and even anti-biblical teachings. Constantine outlawed the Sabbath and replaced it with the day of the sun god. The wide acceptance of beliefs within Christendom do not make them biblical.

What the Bible Teaches.  See More at http://allfaith.com/afterlife/afterlife.html

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Sometimes people apologize to me, ‘I’m sorry I called you names’

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From my friend Jason SpiritualBabies

“Sometimes people apologize to me, ‘I’m sorry I called you names’, ‘I’ve changed my mind about jesus, I’m sorry I blocked you’, ‘I feel so bad about praying to jesus now that I know he is not who I thought’.

No one needs to apologize to me, I’ve been down that road, I know what it’s like. I’m delighted when people lose the idol. Another heart turned to the Creator alone. Wonderful.. and in the Tanakh we read that the King of the Universe feels the same way.

(I advise reading the whole of Isaiah 42)

Here is a teaser.

6 “I, YHVH, have called You (Israel) in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;
I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,
7 To open blind eyes,
To bring out prisoners from the prison,
Those who sit in darkness from the prison house.
8 I am YHVH, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images.
9 Behold, the former things have come to pass,
And new things I declare;
Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

17 They shall be turned back,
They shall be greatly ashamed,
Who trust in carved images,
Who say to the molded images,
‘You are our gods.’

Some of us have been turned back and ashamed.. but now we are home.

Have a wonderful week.”

Ada’s awesome comment: (see video below)

This is an AMAZING section of the Tanakh. It almost says EVERYTHING.
1. Who is speaking
2. Personal – He holds your hand

3. He will protect His children
4. He thinks of others and cares for them in their blindness
5. He wants to bestow goodness and light
6. He alone is Gd
7. His chesed is new every morning
8. He forgives
9. He gives hope
10. He gives security and is trustworthy
11. He is just but merciful

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Messianic Leader Makes Astonishing Discovery*

noachbenavraham:

“Allow room for the enlightenment and illumination of the Holy Spirit.”?

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

*Thanks to Ronnie for the inspiration.

In a bizarre sequence of mystical events we have the story of Lionel [his friends call him Richie], a man who came to know Jesus through divine inspiration and for him to rediscover the depth of his Jewish upbringing. In this exclusive interview Lionel told us how he was brought up in a secular Jewish family and how suddenly realised the Messianic Christian outlook to:

“Allow room for the enlightenment and illumination of the Holy Spirit.”

Lionel’s journey illuminated by the Holy Spirit all started as a result of an investigation under the hood of his family car. Lionel realized that a part was missing from the family vehicle. Luckily for Lionel who did not know much about cars, this was one part of the family vehicle which was very distinctive. Unlike other parts of the engine the part had a part number. Armed…

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Jesus is in my soup and now in my Prayer BOOK TOO!!

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“We removed (Yeshua/ Jesus) noodles and added crutons!”

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

by Menashe Dovid

26 July 2015

Yeshua Revealed as Sar Hapanim in Rosh Hashanah prayer A typical propaganda poster to advertrise that Jews have been praying to Yeshua (Jesus) all along. And now even more devious  jews have removed the name Yeshua altogether in modern-day prayer books.

A devious plan by modern-day Jewish prayer books to deny that Jews have always prayed to Yeshua by deletion of the word Yeshua? Or is it simply that a word in old Rosh Hoshana Machzor (prayer-book for Rosh Hoshana) has been subject to Christian censorship and is now indeterminable? Perhaps there is another explanation?

They the messianics pushing their Yeshua agenda will say:

“Go to a Jewish bookstore today and look in contemporary Rosh HaShanah machzor and you’ll very likely see that the name Yeshua is gone from the prayer.”

That numerous Jewish books have been censored is no secret to Jews over the centuries is plainly outlined in the following:

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Why Jews Are Not Impressed By The ‘Miracle’ Of Jesus’ Resurrection

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Why Jews Are Not Impressed By The “Miracle” Of Jesus’ Resurrection

Originally posted on Jewish Concerns Forum:

“Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.…” (1 Corinthians 15:13)

Many Christians claim that of all the arguments for Jesus being the Messiah, of all the proofs, through ‘fulfilled’ Messianic ‘prophesies’ in the Hebrew Bible, or the miracles that he allegedly performed, the nail on the head for them that convinces them is the miracle of his resurrection from the dead after three days.

Some Christians will even go so far as to claim that this event was the greatest miracle of all time and what their faith is based on. Up until the point of his crucifixion…

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Lies about “Rabbinical Judaism” (the rabbis reversed Judaism)

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“When someone tries to tell you that the Rabbis changed the “law” (Torah) or invented things, re-read this post.”

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

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Nitzevet, Mother of David

Originally posted on Menashe's Blog:

The bold voice of silence

Save me, O G‑d, for the waters threaten to engulf me . . .

I am wearied by my calling out, and my throat is dry. I’ve lost hope in waiting . . .

More numerous than the hairs on my head are those who hate me without reason . . .

Must I then repay what I have not stolen?

Mighty are those who would cut me down, who are my enemies without cause . . .

O G‑d, You know my folly, and my unintended wrongs are not hidden from You . . .

It is for Your sake that I have borne disgrace, that humiliation covers my face.

I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother’s sons.

Out of envy for Your House, they ravaged me; the disgraces of those who revile You have fallen upon me . . .

Those who sit by the gate talk about me. I am…

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