TONGUES speaking in.

“When I stopped studying the Bible in order to support what I believed, and started studying it in order to learn what to believe, I realized how wrong I was.”

Though this post on speaking in tongues may be confussing, there is a method to my madness. You’ll find a mix here, I update this post when something sparks my interest dealing with the tongues doctrine taught in many Christian denominations today, call it, “Update your Salvation!”

Now just how are Christians saved?
Believe and be baptized to be saved. Mk.16:16.
Be baptized by water and the spirit to be saved. Jn.3:5.
Endure to the end to be saved. Mt.24:13.
Call on the name of the “Lord” to be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
Believe in Jesu to be saved. Acts 16:31.
Believe, then all your household will be saved. Acts 16:31.
Hope and you will be saved. Rom.8:24.
Believe in the resurrection to be saved. Rom.10:9.
By grace you are saved. Eph.2:5
By grace and faith you are saved. Eph.2:8.
Have the love of truth to be saved. 2 Thes.2:10.
Mercy saves. Titus 3:5.

When I was in the Apostolic Pentacostal Church every sermon made mention of “The Truth”, as Paul Joseph Goebbels the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 said;

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses.

To my Apostolic friends, Truth or Lie? 

Deu 4:2  Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. 

If you answer “True” then I ask, Isn’t the Book of Mormon G-d’s word, shouldn’t it be considered “The Truth” also?
The Book of Mormon is teachings added to the Holy Text, [The TaNaCH – Moses and the Prophets – Genisis to Malachi]  The New Testament was added by the Holy Roman Catholic Church. If you truly seek “the Truth” check into the foundations of the Church. Don’t take my word, or the word of fallable men, seek it out on your own. G-d is faithful and will give you light.
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Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Proverbs Chapter 30:5-6 Every word of God is tried; He is a shield unto them that take refuge in Him. Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Deutronomy 13.1 All this word which I command you, that shall ye observe to do; thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

“If I gave you a book and said it was from G-d, if it had just one mistake
in it you would hand it back to me and you wouldn’t waste a single minute more of your
time on it. If I gave you a wonderful book about the twin towers and the first page
talks about the twin towers being destroyed in Chicago you would never believe anything else written in the book even if it was true because of the such grave error you first read.
Now: Contradictions in the New Testament (does G-d not know what he said or wanted to say?)”  https://acquiescere9.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/errors-contradictions-and-falsehoods-in-the-new-testament/
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TONGUES

“The necessity of speaking in tongues for salvation?” 

“Hear an alleged tongues and interpretation where “God” says his mercy is gone, he’s going to turn against someone(s) in that church and will pour out his wrath that night.” @ 9:30  [1]
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WARNING: GRAPHIC
Note: Christian churches are filled with passionate men and women of all ages who love God with all their being, and have a deeply genuine love for other people. Many “Bible believing Christians” believe many unbiblical heresies. The wide acceptance of the beliefs within Christendom does not make it biblical. Sadly many are wasting their spirituality following pagan doctrines and man-made religious practices. 

One of the Six Constant Commands (mitzvot) of God is, Don’t be misled by your heart and eyes.

Other religious groups have been observed to practice some form of speaking in tongues – theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices. In Japan, the God Light Association used to practice glossolalia to cause adherents to recall past lives.

Glossolalia has even been postulated as an explanation for the Voynich manuscript. Certain Gnostic magical texts from the Roman period have written on them unintelligible syllables such as “t t t t n n n n d d d d d…” etc. It is conjectured that these may be transliterations of the sorts of sounds made during glossolalia. The Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians also features a hymn of (mostly) unintelligible syllables which is thought to be an early example of Christian glossolalia. In the 19th century, Spiritism was developed by the work of Allan Kardec, and the phenomenon was seen as one of the self-evident manifestations of spirits. Spiritists argued that some cases were actually cases of xenoglossia.

Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti, as well as in the Hindu Gurus and Fakirs of India.

Learned behavior

The material explanation arrived at by a number of studies is that glossolalia is “learned behavior”.
What is taught is the ability to produce language-like speech. This is only a partial explanation, but it is a part that has withstood much testing. It is possible to train novices to produce glossolalic speech. One experiment with 60 undergraduates found that 20% succeeded after merely listening to a 60-second sample, and 70% succeeded after training:

Our findings that glossolalia can be easily learned through direct instruction, along with demonstrations that tongue speakers can initiate and terminate glossolalia upon request and can exhibit glossolalia in the absence of any indexes of trance[…] support the hypothesis that glossolalia utterances are goal-directed actions rather than involuntary happenings.

The admittedly fraudulent preacher Marjoe Gortner described in a 1977 interview how people learn glossolalia in a highly emotional religious setting.

“Tongues is something you learn,” he emphasized. “It is a releasing that you teach yourself. You are told by your peers, the church, and the Bible – if you accept it literally – that the Holy Ghost speaks in another tongue; you become convinced that it is the ultimate expression of the spirit flowing through you. The first time maybe you’ll just go dut-dut-dut-dut, and that’s about all that will get out. Then you’ll hear other people and next night you may go dut-dut-dut-UM-dut-DEET-dut-dut, and it gets a little better. The next thing you know, it’s ela-hando-satelay-eek-condele-mosandrey-aseya … and it’s a new language you’ve got down.”

That glossolalia can be learned is also seen in the traces left behind by teachers. An investigation by the Lutheran Medical Center in Brooklyn showed that the influence of a particular leader can shape a group’s glossolalia: where certain prominent glossolalists had visited, whole groups of glossolalists would speak in his style of speech.
Kavan found that most New Zealand Pentecostals and Charismatics did not experience trance except during the baptism of the spirit. However, meditators in a yoga-based purification group experienced frequent intense trances, of which glossolalia was an occasional manifestation. Kavan suggested that there are two types of glossolalia – spontaneous and context-dependent – and the former is more likely to occur in groups that are radical, experiential and charismatically led.

Tongues
Pentecostals, members of the Assemblies of God churches, and some other charismatics usually place great emphasis on spiritual “gifts and manifestations, claiming that there is a special post-salvation gift/experience called the “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” or “Second Blessing”, in which the Holy Spirit, in all His fullness, is poured out on the believer and that the initial evidence of this “Second Blessing” is speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

When someone is “overcome by the Spirit” they often begin speaking gibberish, wave their arms, or even fall writhing on the floor. Apparently the speaker is said to be possessed by the Holy Spirit with the person himself having no control over his own tongue, which is is usually taken as absolute proof that one has been baptized in the Spirit, a highly prized spiritual goal.

But if, as shown, tongues were a known language in the New Testament and there is absolutely no evidence to show that it was some form of ecstatic speech, and Paul instructed that everything was to be done decently and in order, where does the the unintelligible gibberish, jerking, twitching, falling on the floor etc. all come from? Is it even possible that the devil has substituted the true gift of tongues with a knock-off version? Has the allure of receiving some form of deeper spiritual experience deceived countless millions into accepting this counterfeit?

The Six Constant Mitzvot are:



Know there is a God. Don’t believe in other gods. God is one. Love God. Fear God. Don’t be misled by your heart and eyes. Every moment of awareness is another occasion to actualize these goals. None of the other mitzvot has that same constant opportunity, and that’s why the Six Constant Mitzvot are our priority. All the other mitzvot only build and bolster these goals.



INTELLECTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF GOD The first of the Ten Commandments declares: “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt” (Exodus 20:2).



This is the mitzvah (commandment) to “Know there is a God.”



The logic underlying this commandment seems difficult to understand. Someone who already observe God’s commandments obviously believes in His existence — so what need is there for a new command to do so? And if someone doesn’t know that God exists, why should he listen to this command?!



So exactly who is this mitzvah for?



The answer is that we should not believe in God “on faith” alone. Investigate the evidence. Get knowledge. Research. Study. Analyze. It is a fundamental principle of Judaism: You have to know, not just believe.


EMOTIONAL TRUST “You shall know this day, and understand it in your heart, that the Almighty is God” (Deut. 4:39, the “Aleynu” prayer).



But there’s more. It is not enough to intellectually know that God is in charge of everything. You must also know it in your heart. This emotional knowledge is much more profound, because it affects how a person actually conducts his life.



The circus performer is willing to walk the tightrope because he is confident there’s a net below to catch him. Similarly, a child will jump down off a ledge into his father’s arms, completely confident that his father will catch him.



The whole point of life is to strengthen your awareness of God. How do you know if you’re really aware of God? Through trust. If you are, then you are willing to walk the tightrope, so to speak, or jump into your father’s arms.[a]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
At this point, the gospels we know had NOT been written! The gospel was preached from the Torah! [the Tanakh ] There was no New Testament when Paul wrote his letter to Timothy!!!

Act 17:11  Now the people here were of nobler character than the ones in Thessalonica; they eagerly welcomed the message, checking the Tanakh every day to see if the things Sha’ul was saying were true. CJB

Message to a “messianic” website:[2] Hello! I believe in the oneness of God. Jesus is God! I also like your teachings on the name Yahushua. My husband read it and now he tries to use the name Yahushua instead of Jesus. I have one question though. Do you believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost “with the evidence of speaking in tongues?” 

 
Oh, and another question. Do you believe that we also need to follow the law today? Thank you for your time and God Bless!


You ask: “Do you believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues?”


Yes, but with some drastic differences. Firstly, the term “ghost” is a derogatory reference to the Most Holy, Blessed be He. God is not a ghost, but a Sacred Spirit Being. ‘Ghost’ applies more specifically and commonly to a ‘spook’ or phantom. God’s Sacred Spirit fills the heavens of heavens and indwells the souls of those of mankind who let Him in. The result of this indwelling varies from person to person as to the ‘amount’ of this Presence (strong or weak) and the nature or evidence of its Presence. The book of Corinthians ch 13 clearly defines this blessed feature of the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” and clearly contradicts the claims of so many Pentecostal believers that it is an ‘exclusive’ feature given to selected believers with the ‘evidence’ of speaking in tongues’. Let us look at some of these statements, after which one should read the entire chapter in context to define that the real exclusive feature of the Presence of the Holy Spirit in a person is LOVE – and then NOT the type of Love that is generally displayed in this world which gives license to illicit sex, and even murder, as the killer of Sharon Tate declared after knifing her 36 times! 1 Cor. 13:4 defines some traits of this HS Love which is often notably absent in those who insist on “tongues” as the exclusive sign. “Love does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth….”


This Love is eternal, as God is Eternal…. (v8) “…but … prophecies will cease; …tongues will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.”


1 Cor. 1:1 “ If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.”


These “strange tongue for all…”insistent ignore the clear directive given in 1 Cor. 12: 29 “Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.” (Love).


Just prior to this, the author takes great care to confirm that:


Verse 4 “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.


7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one (NOT ALL!) there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another (NOT ALL!) a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another (NOT ALL!) faith by the same Spirit, to another (NOT ALL!) gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another (NOT ALL!) miraculous powers, to another (NOT ALL!) prophecy, to another (NOT ALL!) distinguishing between spirits, to another (NOT ALL!) speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another (NOT ALL!) the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.”


Yet, many believers insist that we all should be speaking in tongues.


Now, a teaching which normally goes hand in hand with this, is that “we are no longer under the Law”, that “Being under Law is being under the Curse” … yet many of these believers will testify of the Blessing for paying Tithes (according to the Law of Moses)!


Clearly, something drastic is wrong, apart from the fact of common sense, that God surely cannot rule the World without Law! But, this is a topic too vast to even attempt to answer here.  [2]
 
 
“And here is where I must speak to the world of the Pentecostal altar. The UPC has such a strong stress on the necessity of speaking in tongues for salvation that an altar service can appear to be a total frenzy. It is common to hear seekers crying and begging God to save them. You can also hear people shouting, “Just say, ‘Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,’ over and over, real fast.” Or, “Say ‘hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah’ over and over real fast.” Some are saying, “Turn loose!” Still others are saying, “Hang on!” The person in the altar is being drawn into an emotionally charged atmosphere.”

The Experience of the False Prophet by yourphariseefriend

What is a “false prophet”? Is it someone who makes up a story out of his hat but never had any experience to back up that story? Or is it perhaps someone who had a profound experience but the experience is actually misleading?

There is no question that some false prophets simply concocted “visions” out of thin air but the Bible also teaches us about another type of “false prophet”.

In the First Book of Kings chapter 22 we are introduced to Zedekiah son of Chenaanah. This Zedekiah prophesied to King Ahab but his prophecy was false. Michaiah, who was a true prophet of God, described how Zedekiah had been misled. Michaiah describes God’s heavenly court sitting in judgment over Ahab. The court seeks to destroy Ahab and a medium is sought to accomplish this goal. A spirit is sent forth to persuade Ahab to go to battle where he will meet his fate. This spirit sent from on high was a real experience that Zedekiah and the other false prophets truly felt. But it was sent to mislead and to confuse.

It is clear that the fact that someone undergoes an “experience” does not prove anything. When Moses teaches us about the miracles of the false prophet he describes them as a test from God (Deuteronomy 13:4). Moses doesn’t tell us that the false prophet cannot perform miracles, signs and wonders. Instead Moses tells us that we need to measure those experiences, we need to evaluate those miracles and use our sense of discernment to understand if the miracles and the experiences are tests from God or if they are true prophecy.

The yardstick that God granted our nation so that we can evaluate these supernatural experiences is the testimony of our nation. Is the experience leading us in the path that God set us on when he took us out of Egypt or are these miracles introducing a “new” and “better” path?

Throughout history many people have attempted to market their “new paths” by claiming to be the real and rediscovered “old path”. But the path that God set us on travels through the hearts of His witness nation. And the only way that these people can claim our path for themselves is by dismissing our testimony.
As the nation chosen by God we have the responsibility toward ourselves and towards the world to remain loyal to the testimony with which we were entrusted. And the prophet Isaiah prophesied that the purpose of the Lord will indeed be fulfilled through our people. With our hearts on fire for God we will yet illuminate the world (Isaiah 60:3). [4]





This is a series of videos [below] to challenge people to search the scriptures, to see if what they were taught is actually in the Bible. Many of us heard things said over and over, so much so that we started believing the Bible verses were there. Sometimes we neglected to check. Other times we read things into a verse or pieced together passages to make a doctrine.


This video challenges you to see if you can find the phrase in the Bible, “with the evidence of speaking in tongues.”










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Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness Pentecostalism [paperback] good background informations on the beginnings of the UPCI and Oneness Movement




A study of the doctrine of salvation in the United Pentecostal Church and its immediate historical antecedents with a focus on the Pentecostal Church, Incorporated and prominent ministers such as Goss, Greer, Yadon, Gurley, Jacques, Stairs, Wickens and Paterson.

 History of Oneness Salvation By J. IstreFormat:Paperback“When people think of the UPC, they immediately think of Holiness Standards, Jesus Name baptism, and Oneness theology. However, it has not always been this easy to describe Oneness people. The United Pentecostal Church (UPC) formed in 1945 with the merger of two organizations: Pentecostal Church, Incorporated (PCI) and the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ (PAJC). The main difference between the organizations was the interpretation of the New Birth. Both organizations subscribed to Repentance, baptism by immersion in Jesus’ name and receiving the Holy Spirit (Ghost) by glossolalia (speaking in tongues, or babbling incoherently). However, the largest faction of PAJC believed this three-step formula was required to enter heaven and avoid hell fire, whereas the PCI largely believed that one was justified at repentance and that water baptism and spirit filled glossolalia were not necessary to avoid hell fire. The merger language was very carefully chosen to bring these two groups together to agree on the fundamental doctrine. The phrase “full salvation” was the magic term that the PAJC interpreted to mean that the three steps were necessary, whereas the PCI position could interpret “full” to mean something more than mere “salvation” which to them was achieved at repentance. “Full salvation” to a PCI was indeed the three-step formula, but not defining for one’s eternal destiny. Such was the agreement at the merger that ministers would not contend over this issue to the destruction of the new body called UPC. The problem appears to be that official publications of the UPC do not wish for many to know about the PCI tradition within the organization.However, there was much contending for their own views, in rebellion against the merger agreement through the years by those who’s views were the three-step Acts 2:38 formula or hell fire. As time progressed, this former PAJC faction became increasingly fanatical in their position and began to shove PCI ministers out of leadership positions. An effective propaganda campaign began to convert the PCI strongholds of the Pacific Northwest, the North Atlantic and Tennessee. By the beginning of the 1980’s, the PCI position of moderation on the New Birth was effectively destroyed. The fanatics took over the organization and presided over a few purges through the years that reached its climax in 1992 with the Westberg Resolution aimed to kick out ministers that were “weak on the doctrine” which is a code word for those of the old PCI persuasion. Several distinguished men left the organization like Robert Sabin and C. H. Yadon. The official word from the organization was that the 1992 resolution did not affect many people. However, other sources reveal that several thousands of ministers left the organization over this resolution. Fudge shows that this resolution was passed without proper notice beforehand and without proper parliamentary procedure according to the UPC constitution.The UPC might be called a relatively secretive organization; this book is sure to ruffle the feathers of a few who wish for this information to remain private. Dr. Fudge is a researcher that one must take seriously. There are tons of footnotes and tons of referenced interviews with current and former members. Current leaders of the UPC cannot leave this book in silence. One disturbing fact is that at one point, the UPC headquarters banned Fudge from doing research in their Historical Center in July 2000 unless he turned over his manuscript, the list of all people he contacted for interviews, and his interview tapes. Fudge declined this ridiculous demand and plowed forward with research from other sources.Fudge also shows that the current interpretation of “Holiness Standards” is a relatively recent development in the organization: the practice of women wearing only dresses, women with uncut hair, and the prohibition of jewelry. Early leaders of the organization had wives with cut hair, jewelry and wore slacks because it was not an issue until later.Now, the organization is obsessed with a narrow ideology: (1) ‘Jesus’ is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit in addition to the name of the Son of God, (2) Jesus Name baptism and evidence of the Holy “Ghost” with speaking in tongues (glossolalia, or babbling under emotional ecstasy) are necessary to avoid hell fire, and (3) Holiness Standards are increasingly necessary to “stay” saved from hell fire. The first is an obvious heresy in Christianity and in some quarters defines this group outside of the definition of “Christian.” The second and third are strange developments, although not unique in Christianity, but are indeed things that make this group fringe and largely ineffective. The title of the book comes from evidence that the organization is interested primarily in dunking people under water in Jesus Name baptism, getting them to talk in tongues, and then to move on to the next convert without ever introducing people to the message of Calvary – the Cross. Their message, for the most part and in most cases, is not the gospel, but a misinterpretation Acts 2:38 plus a few things here and there.This book is a godsend to those of us who might have been part of UPC. It explains many of the strange things that happened over the years, the details of which the leadership wished to keep secret. It is as if Fudge looked at his research material and said to the UPC, “Thou hast been weighed in the balances and have been found wanting.” Then he wrote this book as a “balance” to all the propaganda. Anyone thinking of joining the UPC or who might be new to the UPC should read this book to determine if this is a fellowship that a Christian should associate with and then make a proper determination on the merits. Those already UPC might also find this book useful for similar means.” [sic]

  • The NewTestement itself does NOT anywhere claim to be “The Word of God” but persistently claims the “Old Testament” ( TaNaCH and Torah) to be THE Word of God. 

  • yashka[i] Himself constantly endorses this and refers readers to the TaNaCH as the Word of God.

[i] “yashka” is a substitute label for the x-ian man/god. “The names of others’ god you shall not mention.” Exodus 23:13



Please note this question.
“Can a person be born again without baptism in Jesus name?”
“The New Birth is a birth of water and spirit. Baptism is for the remission of sins, and is clearly a part of the great commission and of the gospel, being the representation and experience of the burial of Jesus Christ. The name of Jesus Christ is the only name which carries authority and spiritual power. Only the personal name of the God in Christ is taught by the Apostles as having access to the spiritual power of the blood.”


Note: # 1.


“Born again” is not a Christian term?   It is a Jewish term!


• When Gentiles converted to Judaism, they were said to be born again.
• When a man was crowned king, he was said to be born again.
• When a Jewish boy has a bar mitzvah at the age of 13, he is said to be born again.
• When a Jewish person marries, he is said to be born again.
• When a Jewish person is ordained as a Rabbi, he is said to be born again.
• When a Jewish person becomes the head of a rabbinical school, he is said to be born again.
Jesus told Nicodemus, a teacher in Israel, “Except a man be born of water and the Spirit (Spirit of Truth which is being Torah observant), he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
To “be born of water” was a Jewish expression for physical birth.
However, physical birth by itself is not sufficient to provide entrance into the Kingdom of God.
Man must be born of the Spirit – “Spirit of Truth” which is a metaphor for Torah, being Torah observant.  (an FYI) 


Note: # 2.  
“Jesus Christ is the only name which carries authority and spiritual power.” ?


Jesus’ real name is Y’shua


Rebbe Y’shua was renamed the by the Catholic Church as part of its efforts to distance their New Religion from its Jewish roots.


2.Can a person be born again without being baptized with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues?”
the Ruach of HaShem (the inspiration of God) RuachHeb) Spirit, wind. Ruach HaKodesh (Heb.) Divine Spirit


The term “ghost” is a derogatory reference to the Most Holy, Blessed be He. God is not a ghost, but a Sacred Spirit Being. ‘Ghost’ applies more specifically and commonly to a ‘spook’ or phantom. God is EVERYWHERE, ETERNAL, OMNIPRESENT.


God is One, the idea of God as a duality or trinity among gentiles may be Shituf (or “not purely monotheistic”). The term Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) is found frequently in Talmudic and Midrashic literature. In some cases it signifies prophetic inspiration, while in others it is used as a hypostatization or a metonym for God. The Rabbinic “Holy Spirit,” has a certain degree of personification, but it remains, “a quality belonging to God, one of HIS attributes” and not, as in mainstream Christianity, representative of “any metaphysical divisions in the Godhead.”

“Although the belief in the unity of God is taught and declared on virtually every page of the Jewish Scriptures, the doctrine of the Trinity is never mentioned anywhere throughout the entire corpus of the Hebrew Bible. Moreover, this doctrine is not to be found anywhere in the New Testament either because primitive Christianity, in its earliest stages, was still monotheistic. The authors of the New Testament were completely unaware that the Church they had fashioned would eventually embrace a pagan deification of a triune deity. Although the worship of a three-part godhead was well known and fervently venerated throughout the Roman Empire and beyond in religious systems such as Hinduism and Mithraism, it was quite distant from the Judaism from which Christianity emerged. However, when the Greek and Roman mind began to dominate the Church, it created a theological disaster from which Christendom has never recovered. By the end of the fourth century, the doctrine of the Trinity was firmly in place as a central tenet of the Church, and strict monotheism was formally rejected by Vatican councils in Nicea and Constantinople.”

“When Christendom adopted a triune godhead from neighboring triune religious systems, it spawned a serious conundrum for post-Nicene Christian apologists. How would they harmonize this new veneration of Jesus as a being who is of the same substance as the Father with a New Testament that portrays Jesus as a separate entity, subordinate to the Father, and created by God? How would they now integrate the teaching of the Trinity with a New Testament that recognized the Father alone as God? In essence, how would Christian apologists merge a first century Christian Bible, which was monotheistic, with a fourth century Church which was not?” – Rabbi Tovia Singer


A great read
“Because you are a rabbi, I am particularly perplexed as to why you have not willingly accepted Christ. You surely have read the 22nd Psalm which most clearly speaks of our Lord’s crucifixion. 


I know that the Jews have been maligned and persecuted by so-called Christians. This has certainly left a bad taste in the mouths of the Jewish people against Christ; but certainly you must know, rabbi, that these were not real Christians, for a believer in Christ must love the Jew, for his Savior is a Jew.”  

See also: 

                        The First 250 Years of the Christian Religion[3]
We completely agree with what this Rabbi says. Give a listen!
We completely agree with what this rabbi says. Give a listen!
“It is a rule in the UPCI that no licensed Minister may publicly contend for any view that may bring disunity to the organization”

Deuteronomy 24:16
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.

2 Kings 14:6
Yet he did not put the children of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the LORD commanded: “Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.”

Job 21:20
Let their own eyes see their destruction; let them drink the cup of the wrath of the Almighty.

Isaiah 3:11
Woe to the wicked! Disaster is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done.

Ezekiel 18:4
For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child–both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

Ezekiel 18:20
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

 

Read another view at http://judaizersforjesus.blogspot.com/2013/01/united-pentecostal-church.html#d2IpCKBBDZxiKfB0.99 

[3] http://johnofallfaith.xanga.com/

[4] http://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/the-experience-of-the-false-prophet/

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  1. LarryB says:

    I take it you believe that Jesus is the savior?

    • NO, that’s Nicean Christianity. I believe with perfect faith that God is one.
      There is no unity that is in any way like His.
      He alone is our God.
      He was, He is, He will be.

      Isaiah 43:10-11
      “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

      Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers:every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

      That this truth has never changed is made clear by Paul who said:
      Galatians 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
      It has always been this way:
      Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
      18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

      “The Christian idea of the messiah is that Jesus was the blood sacrifice that saves everyone from his or her sin. But who, EXACTLY died on that cross? If it was Jesus-the-god, then how can God die? If it was only Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus is a human sacrifice. And what, EXACTLY does God say about human sacrifice in the TaNaCH?

      In Deuteronomy, God calls Human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him!

      Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. [Deuteronomy 12:30-31]

      In Jeremiah, God tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind!

      Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Eternal, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but The Valley of Slaughter. [Jeremiah 19:4-6]

      We see the same thing in Psalm 106 and in Ezekiel 16:

      Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. [Psalm 106:37-38]

      Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter? [Ezekiel 16:20]

      And yet we are to then turn around and believe that God changed His mind, and required human sacrifice, and then it was the sacrifice of His own human son that God wanted? After telling the Jews to stay away from pagan practices, and pagan beliefs, God then changes His mind and says, “Okay, now go ahead and believe in a human sacrifice, just as these very pagans believe?””

       

      • Larry says:

        Do you have any particular belief in the so called new testment

      • I believe the new testament was Constantines playbook for his new “universal” religion, ‘a new path to God’.(?)
        The NT itself does NOT anywhere claim to be “The Word of God” but persistently claims the “Old Testament” (Tanach and Torah) to be THE Word of God.
        Where the NT confirms the Tanach, it is acceptable. Where it contradicts the Tanach (as through the statements and teachings of Paul against the Torah), then it is in error and we have to reject that from the NT – NOT reject the Tanach as Christianity generally does.

        “The Jerusalem Church which was established by Jesus, and which was guided by his disciples, did not believe in this teaching of Paul. They did not believe that faith in Jesus could effectively atone for their sins.”

        The testimony of the Christian scriptures. The 21st chapter in the 
        book of Acts reports that the normal activities of the members 
        of the Jerusalem Church included the offering of animals for 
        the explicit purpose of the expiation of sin. The book of Acts 
        describes how four members of the Jerusalem Church had 
        taken a Nazirite vow. This means that they had voluntarily 
        brought themselves into a situation where they would be 
        required (by the law of Moses) to bring an animal as a sin 
        offering.

        It is clear that these people saw in the temple 
        offerings a valid method for the expiation of sin. If they 
        believed as Paul did, that Jesus died for their sins once and for 
        all, then there would be no point in bringing a sin offering in  
        the temple. The fact that the Jerusalem Church still 
        participated in the temple offerings after Jesus had died, tells 
        us that they did not see in Jesus’s death an all atoning 
        sacrifice. These people were not Evangelical Christians.”

        From: THE TRADITIONAL JEWISH RESPONSE
        TO CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES
        Yisroel C. Blumenthal
        http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/youaremywitnesses.pdf

      • LarryB says:

        What do you think of Aish or Chabad.com websites? You have a link to 1000 verses website which is how I came here. Do you disagree with his teachings?

      • Larry, thank you for your questions. I reposted the blog on “Tongues” here at WordPress.com after commenting on the blog “Must we speak in TONGUES to be saved?” by Nathan Cox. Rarely have I used WordPress, but I may reconsider since Xanga.com closed last month. It is my prayer any debate/discussion will bring us all closer to God and His truth. I share numerous studies on blogs and at pathwaysradio.weebly.com into the world’s religions based on my personal quest for Truth.

        1000 verses is an excellent source, Rabbis Yisroel Blumenthal and Eli Cohen raise questions every christian should ask before putting faith in a man/god created by ‘the church’ or following man-made doctrines contrary to Torah.

        Torah refers primarily to the five Books of Moshe (i.e. Genesis through Deuteronomy) but there is more to it: Torah reveals the “Mind of G-d.” The Mind of G-d is revealed in many ways and these revelations (whether personally received or through books) will always be consistent with the Five Books. Torah is the ultimate authority.

        Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: “God is not a mortal” the worship of a three-part godhead was well known and fervently venerated throughout the Roman Empire and beyond in religious systems such as Hinduism and Mithraism, it was quite distant from the Judaism from which Christianity emerged in 325CE.

        Noach

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